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Hello Crowdholders,

We’d like to run by a new task type we’re thinking of, as well as how can introduce new startups that join the platform to you. More importantly, how would you want us to let you know there’s a new startup? 

As of now, all new projects that join our app we write an article on Medium at: https://medium.com/@crowdholding, we also post this on telegram NEWS and Crowdholding telegram channel, Facebook and Twitter. In addition, a notification on the CH app.

Our new Introductory task we want to implement the following:

This task will be the first task created by the Startup once they join our platform. It will serve as a way to let you guys know the most important information about the Startup. (You’ll see it in your news feed - we could also add Filtering option for this type of task too).

We don’t want to spam you with Notifications every single time a new startup joins (unless they are relevant for you which will come in later) so this seems like a good way to achieve that. We’re also planning on highlighting new Startups in our Monthly newsletter (Are you getting them and reading them?)

In this Introductory task the startup will be introduced telling you the most important things about them like their Vision, Business model and Tokeneconomics (How is their Token used) and their product stage with links to their White Paper.

This gives you a quick run down of the startup and you can gauge whether you’d like to follow them. Also, you’d be able to leave comments as well as rate them (1 to 5 - 5 being the best). You can rate them without the need to leave a comment unless you leave low ranking. This rating will be then displayed in this task.

So to sum up the questions

  • How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?

  • What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?

  • What do you think of the rating?

  • And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings. 

We look forward to your comments!


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Dharminder Rana | Posted 2 months ago

VERY Excited new startups joining and easy.

Easy ntroductory Task concept and interesting
I think 4.8 star

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Oleksiy Tkachenko | Posted 2 months, 1 week ago

The concept is good, this will help to achieve goals.

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Peyman Rmi | Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

first task for each project should include a review about the project in short animation Preferred

To be notified, I guess favorites messenger like telegram can be a good case

About the rating, I guess it should be weighted for different persons
important persons' rates have bigger effect at final score compare to amateur person rates

Crowdholding 5
Peculium 5

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Alex Petherick-Brian | Posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago

I think the introductory task should ask:
"What Tasks should we create?"
along with providing some extra details about the project.
Task admins could have a quick button to turn a comment into a task (after editing content), giving the commenter an extra reward in the process.

We should be able to rate projects seperatly.
Personally, I'd like to be able to offer a granular rating for tasks and comments too... but that may be a step too far,

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Fred Blauer | Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I agree with your approach to notification of new startups.
I like the introductory task concept
The rating idea is good
I give crowd holding a 4/5

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Ahmad Fz | Posted 3 months ago

I still confused how we earn yup token by joining the site. How we rewarded. is it from votes or comment or any algoritm. I think I have joined a week and the reward still zero.

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Ethan Clime | Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Right now it total votes by ranking. If you have 2 votes and other commenter has 1 vote you receive 75% of the reward and the other person 25%. However, very soon we will be testing a new rewarding system from feedback we have collected. Actually being built as we speak.

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Ahmad Fz | Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thanks for the reply. However, crowdholding concept is great. However, the site is not really popular among cryptoi investors and developers. How is the marketing promote the site to new users or developers to join. Actually I am a presale investor of YUPIE token. I have claim presale investor and hope the price will grow , I still HODL the token. Untill now, crowdholding is only known by few of bitcointalk members. Crypto addicts outside bitcointalk.org are very large.

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Bernard Kokol | Posted 3 months ago

oooh also for the part "There might be some tips for great ratings" : you should put in section for bounty hunters that can actually see the progress like some kind of spreadsheet, for now i cant see if progress is correct or not and these can be very unpleasant situation.

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Bernard Kokol | Posted 3 months ago

How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?
-Well it can be separative ways, one way that all registered users receive Email about new task that user can chose about Bounty of other ICO's or just tasks like these one. That option should be mandatory. Or you can give a button in website that informs once u log in about new projects, that should open in new template with again tasks or bounty.

What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?
it is something like i wrote it on previous question, u should definitely put in filtering, and updates can be send on email if users wants it. Otherwise you will spam...

What do you think of the rating?
well rating from 10 users is nothing, rating for 1000 users it is something, if u already have more then 10k usersa that are ready to read and also comment articles you should think of "reward" system for these users.

And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings.

CH-3, it is also a start up for start up projects, in 2018 with bear market and all new ICO's that are going out insane you should make a filter of what company's you are actually promotion, or even if you have bounty then your users promote. Make site more visable, and put in some sections betwen what is ongoin,NEW, Upcoming Etc... now it's all mixed.

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Fatalninuda . | Posted 3 months ago

Hello guys! I think "introductory tasks" as they exist now and as you seem to plan on keeping them are too broad to provide an opportunity for any useful feedback. You could make it into a rate this thing task, but the benefits are dubious as there is no way to check if the user rated with a bit of thought or just clicked 5 and gief me my yup.
I believe it's best to leave the task feed to tasks themselves. Introduction is superfluous as anyone that will want to provide meaningfull content will have to research the project in question, the links for which you will kindly provide in the task description.


CH 4
Good UX (having to click the link in notifications to make it go away is a bit of a bore and the new newsfeed is too cluttered)
Good (but somewhat unambitious) business development, having a few big (one, please?) brand names with meaningful tasks would do wonders for the user base
Why not 5? Because of slow development of a straightforward service and the insistence on using a counterproductive rewarding system for tasks, which me and I imagine many other users pointed out many times already.

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Mehul Jain | Posted 3 months ago

How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?

I am new here, not sure if there is an APP. If not i would recommend an App and notifications on the would just be perfect. I mean, users will get regular notifications rather than piling up their notification bar. Also, this could increase the user response rate by way of push notifications.

What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?

I think its a good concept to introduce the startup with a task. This will ensure future tasks of such start-up dont get unnoticed. Also, while acting on the future tasks people would have a basic idea about the startup they are co-creating rather than just providing comments to earn points/crypto.

What do you think of the rating?

Not sure if this can be miss-used by startups to push their own content through the system.

And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings.

I am new so this is my first task, will be only rating Crowdholding. The rating i propose is 5 for the concept. I cant comment on the other aspects as yet as i am still getting used to the platform. Hope its helpful.

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Davids Allen | Posted 3 months ago

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Yang Shuyong | Posted 3 months ago

Hello Davids, please do not spam here. This platform is designed for co-creation between the public and businesses. I have to remove your comment, because it is considered as a spam, in accordance with our code of conduct.

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Elric Drost | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?

Well i personally don't really need much notification, i just check once in a while, but the option should definitely be there. I think there is really no best option, or your best option could be to keep it customisable to the users of the platform personal needs. For example i could not be reached by telegram, it would just be lost between all the channels. For the options? All the standard options you mentioned and maybe other options like favorite message app, sms, or a crowdhold (phone)app.

What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?

The first task is most of the time already there, but it think it could not hurt to look at the other side of the posting and to make it mandatory. What info is available for the projects that join? Sometimes a lot of info in lacking or could be organised better in the post. So maybe it's an idea to give the projects asking the questions some extra directions,checklist or a template of some sorts. I don't know what is available right now ofcourse. This could bring some more stucture for more effective use of the time of the people on the platform. How about a task like that, that unlocks the rest of the tasks of the project or it does give you an extra reward on the other tasks that follow? Could reduce spam, but also response maybe. Just leaving it here, maybe someone gets a great idea trough this one.

What do you think of the rating?

To be honest about this. I don't like this, mainley these could be influenced so easy by airdrop tasks or something similar. That in itself has two sides. It would attract a lot of people, but the rating would be pretty empty. Like on the appstore where some of the best rated apps are absolute garbage. But if you can select on ratings, it could have some really bad effects for projects and the platform itself like Randy said. So this got me thinking, maybe there is a way to avoid this with some slight adjustments to the voting system. You could do something with voting weight. Give more voting power to the top users of the platform. For example the bitcointalk ranks! If you are newbie you would have hardly any influence, but that will increase over time and with achievements. If you bind it to votes, it might be even more effective then posts. Just an idea!

Crowdholding 4
I obviously like the project or else i would not be here. The site is fast and easy to use, but sometimes very basic things like the editbutton(it's coming)are still missing. I see great potential in the concept and the basics are there, but the real ball still has to start rolling. I haven't really read into your marketingplans yet, but it would be nice to attract even more people to the platform. Of course you want to attract the right kind of people who can make the platform flourish and not just the "i'll type a word and hope i get lucky kind of people." You already have some great people to start your journey with, so let's go!

Ethernity 3,5
I think it's a decent project, which might just drown in the pool of contenders because it will fail to stand out. For me they don't stand out as of yet, or they have not found a way tell the average investor why they stand out. What i do like is the communication and fast responses that are coming from their side. They are pretty open to the points we bring to them.

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Ethan Clime | Posted 3 months ago

You made me think instead of rating or showing a rating, we showcase response rate. How active the project is on our app. For instance, we have some projects not responding to very good feedback and issues you all bring up. But one way to trigger them to be more active and address concerns and possible project changes would be showcasing a response score to how many tasks they put out and how active the admin of the project replies to comments. FB has a response time/rating for how quick you respond to messages on business pages. Just a thought, to think more about.

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Elric Drost | Posted 3 months ago

This is a great idea! Got another one while reading your idea. You have added the option to filter projects which is great, if you combine this you can make a page where the projects are on top who responded today.

My reason for making it daily and not every post or post count is to reduce spam, but i don't know if this is a thing with projects themselfes. This would really bring incentive to be active if it was the main page.

Might not be perfect yet, but this could inspire you to the one that is! Just like you brought this up with me. This is a very effective way to get to great results together! The greatest thing is how you showcased perfectly how important the response is to set this creative process in motion. It gives the crowdknowledge and opinion they try to use more direction in what the project wishes to accomplish. Giving greater insight in the project and results.

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Randy Tice | Posted 3 months ago

Actually yeah, this would be a much better route to go. And Elric's idea of the top projects who responded today; could that be like a real time indicator of active projects/users? As companies onboard to CH, you can use projects with high response scores as examples of the types of benefits they get from interacting with the crowd which could motivate companies to weigh in on their own think tank. For users, there is the natural draw towards what is "trending". It looks like this would be more practical to implement in the future though when the client and userbase grows more.

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Ethan Clime | Posted 3 months ago

Hey guys, nice idea. So how we could implement this, is a filter button for project (not tasks, ie. not newsfeed, but Project page)) The filter would be top active startups (by engagement score, associated with a star ranking) in addition a separate filter button as "trending" and this would calculate which admins has recently responded to threads at the most recent time, thus placing the the project first. That's my interpretation of your idea. Am I correct?

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Elric Drost | Posted 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thank you Ethan. Yes! I also think this filter, could be the default filter. If you get here and you go to home(the page you get when you click home). You could add that new projects stay on top for x-days for them to get rolling. Or on top until one reply with x votes or x replies as default.

So i let it sink in a bit to see if i could think of something else to keep projects active. So some other possibilities or add-ons to current ideas:

- Maybe admin login intervals? like everyday is more points then a project that isn't even looked at or once every 7 days or something.
- Also could reward 1/5/"x" reply from a project, meaning they earn some kind of reward to boost them on the project page. That they can activate when they want.
- For each or 3/5/"x" replies they give someone on the project thread an free airdrop with their name on it, so the project shows up in the persons feed, could be 1yup 5yup or anything. Or maybe something else nice? But to have a chance to get it you must have a message in the taskthread and at least 1 vote. Or someone that looked at the task today. Basicly can be anything ofcourse.
- Most active project of the month post or reward? CH gives 10% yuppie reward bonus for the comments.

Perfect thing would be something that would bring more incentive to respond to the project for crowdholders. And in return for projects brings more incentive to reply to crowdholders to achieve the incentive for the ch'ers to reply at the same time. Just throwing some ideas at you!

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Elric Drost | Posted 3 months ago

I think you also should look at these 2nd and 3rd line comments. (the responses to responses) The way it works right now is really counter productive(killing) from a creative perspective.

First because i don't believe many people ever come here in this second stage, but i did some testing with comments in this 2nd stage and i do feel it still gets seen by some.

As for the 3rd stage( the replies to Ethan in this case.) It's like it's lost in oblivion and there is no way to repond to them anymore, so i don't even know if Ethan read them, because you can't reply to them(if he wanted to). Because there is no 4th level of reply's. I don't think that only adding a 4th layer solves much since nobody will ever show up there. (with the way it is right now.)
One of the reason i believe this happens is: you have to click twice to open up to the 3rd level and repeat with every single reply.

Because of how few of these follow up reply's there are right now, it might be good to change something fast. This would also make it more attractive for projects to reply.

My proposal is to think of something that makes it possible to keep the flow going if someone adds to an idea, because i think that is what co-creation and creative processes is all about!

I understand that will take some time, a quick fix could be to open the entire discussion for now. So all levels, so it would take one click to open the sub discussion and leave out the reply textboxes until you click on reply to safe space and keep it readable.

So ONE click will give you this: (for this example)
1main reply (Elric)
2lvl reply (Ethan)
3lvl reply (Elric)
3lvl reply (Randy)
2lvl reply (this comment)
3lvl reply (your response i hope;))

I think the reply is so underused right now. This will (in my vision) not create any chaos, because you have to click it open to get there and add to the value of crowdholding. And hopefully gets some more interaction!

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Ethan Clime | Posted 3 months ago

The reason late to seeing the 3rd thread is because I am following too many projects... so need to unfollow so my notifications don't overflow. So going to change that for sure.

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Elric Drost | Posted 3 months ago

I see it didn't take the spacing. To reduce chaos in the entire thread it would be good to make it clear you opened this second layer and after the last reply it ends/ big line or is grayed out or something. Showing the end of the sub discussion. Here a new try on the example.

So ONE click will give you this: (for this example)
1main reply (Elric)
....2lvl reply (Ethan)
........3lvl reply (Elric)
........3lvl reply (Randy)
....2lvl reply (this comment)
........3lvl reply (your response i hope;))

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Ethan Clime | Posted 3 months ago

Nice UX/UI suggestion.

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Randy Tice | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

- Personally, through telegram. But I think if you put in notification options for each user that would be best. Then, the user can decide where and how to get their notifications.

- Right now, most startups have this kind of task as their first task. They almost all generally ask, "what do you think of our concept?" or "What challenges would we face?" Providing specific details like business model and tokeneconomics can provide more detailed info for the user I suppose, but what you are proposing is basically already happening so I guess it would be good to formalize it. I guess my reaction to it is, "meh".

- The rating system would be a double edged sword, good for users, but potentially damaging for clients. As a user, having easy to understand statistics like a rating helps us navigate a large amount of tasks (even if ratings tend to be pretty skewed). It can bring a lot of traffic into highly rated projects and increase the amount of comments and votes. For startups, I can see this hurting their long term commitment to the platform since ratings are typically useless information for a company that seriously wants feedback. If an introductory task brings a lot of people in, but only produces ratings without any specific feedback that is useful, I can imagine the company wondering if it is worth the YUPs to stay with CH. In the end, I feel it is good to implement it, but to keep the writing board wide open to quickly modify the system as issues arise.

- Are you ready for this? You know I am a pretty vocal supporter of CH and the points I make about the strength of this company I thoroughly believe in. However, I feel the clock is ticking and a "make or break" situation is arising that, if not seriously addressed, will hamper the project indefinitely. You HAVE GOT to increase marketing and trade volume before you implement the yup cycle or else I believe your very own tokeneconomics will utterly fail. But you guys are open, working hard, making progress, and for some curious reason is filled with young, highly attractive people so I give CH a 3.

For another project, I decided to go the negative nancy route and chose Caerus Connections which I rate a 1. Their entire business was lacking in detail (from tech details to even product implementation). There were numerous errors in their presentation of information which made things downright confusing. Devs and admins were rarely available to clear things up or provide more detail and the tasks they offered on CH could not be completed due to errors on their end.

Mahalo!

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Ethan Clime | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Hey Randy, agreed on your input regarding improving marketing that will support trade volume because Q4 we want to implement YUP cycle. In addition, exchange partner we want for the YUP cycle also needs better volume. Definitely appreciate the thoughts and we will act and keep working to get this moving.

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Devan Naratama | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?
I like to receive notification via email or telegram channel because it's easy and regularly check them. Or it Will be good of there is app for Crowdholding platform.

What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?
Hmmmm, i just can say that it's great.

What do you think of the rating?
Rating, based of my experience. People just look the project without read it and if they're interested then they give high rating. I think give simple explanation Will be good and also the logo or video explanation is important. I'm looking logo and the video before give rating or read comment from other then give rating.

And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings.
CH 5, I'm totally like this platform
MoneyRebel 5, it's a great project

Sorry my English is bad.

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Jpm Magno | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?
I want to be notified by FB or email please.

What do you think of the Introductory Task concept? I love the Introductory Task concept and of course the filtering to prevent from spamming

What do you think of the rating? Rating? I think this is a bit skeptical for me, I have seen some who will just give or click their favourite number without reviewing the whitepaper or reading the platform. In my opinion it will not be fair also for the group because they will not get the honest opinion or feedback from the community.

And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings.
Crowdholding 5
Deep Onion 4
EiraCube 3

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Surfraz M Umar Kayyam | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Every new project joining the community shall complete a task withing 1 or 2 weeks of joining. The first task should include a review about tokens.

To be notified, I guess emails would be great for a start.

About the rating, I guess it would be biased since a lot of people will review without proper knowledge. The rating is unreliable.

Crowdholding 5
Brickbox 4
Both are great concepts actually.

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Toheed Saeed | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

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jbm386 | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

• How do you want to be notified of new startups joining?
• What do you think of the Introductory Task concept?


I am going to answer both questions at the same time.

I think every new project coming onto the platform should have to do a task within 1 week of joining the platform. If you want it make that and ‘Introductory Task’ or the projects choice for a task that is fine. However I do think every first task should involve the question what do you think of our vision and token usability. I think those are the key starting points when getting introduced to a project.

In addition, I think adding a weekly or bi-weekly newsletter with links to the tasks would be cool so we can stay updated on projects. I do having contributors opting in to getting real-time notifications on email or text of projects / tasks being announced would be helpful. The main reason I think that would be a good idea is I believe the early a contributor provides feedback on a project / task the better they tend to rate with getting votes. The earlier you are to replying the more likely are to get one of the top voted comments (depends on quality of the comment as well but for the most earlier is better in my experience so far). Eventually when the user base gets bigger, having real-time email notifications or event text notifications will be valuable to contributors who want to be the first to reply to a task.

• What do you think of the rating?
I personally think you’re going to get a ton of BS ratings that don’t have a lot of thought behind it. This is based on a lot of the other feedback / comments I have seen in the past 3 months on this platform. Therefore, I am not a fan of this because I don’t think it adds much value.

• And for fun, please Rate Crowdholding and optionally some other startup (eg. CH -5, Weeshing 4) and tell us why you chose this rating. There might be some tips for great ratings.

Crowdholding 5
Brickbox 5

Both are great!

I actually didn’t like the Brickbox project because I didn’t think the idea would work based on the concept (see my post in their Intro: ‘Brickblock: Revolutionizing finance by allowing to invest cryptocurrency in tokenized assets’ for the reason why). However I wanted to prove my point that anyone can put fluff with a rating with no thought behind it.

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joe Šovčík | Posted 3 months, 1 week ago

Haha, love the "proving a point" rating :).

Thanks for your feedback.

There's actually a possibility to get real-time-ish updates on new tasks being posted if you Follow a project. Honestly, this feature was not designed properly yet but it works for what you want :).

I also feel like the button is sort of well hidden so let's see if you can find it (let me know).

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